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Calculating Focal Length Of Your Dish


If the curve of your dish exactly matches an equation, and the feedhorn and LNB sit exactly at the focal point, then performance is at an optimum. To obtain this you have to do a few things.

First check the curve of your dish (and diagnose any warp in the mesh) which is called cross-stringing. Beg borrow and steal some lightweight yarn and stretch it across the dish, starting from one side and crossing over exactly the opposite point. Now do this again and again starting at different points, so that you divide up the face of the satellite into six or eight pieces, somewhat like a pie. All the strings should just touch at their midpoints. At most there should be a one quarter inch gap between two strings at the intersection. Any other gaps that are larger indicate a serious warp or twist in the satellite that must be fixed. Not all warps can be fixed, so you might have to purchase a new satellite.

Next we make a small hole (enough to see through) exactly at the centre of the dish if your satellite doesn't have a hole all ready. Then you look through this hole from the rear of the satellite towards the feedhorn, and you should see the intersection of the strings and the centre of the feedhorn all lined up. Over time, the feedhorn usually settles slightly, so carefully re-aim it so that it's pointed exactly at the centre of the satellite, where all the energy is concentrated.

To check the focal length you will need to do a little math. F= the focal distance in inches, or the distance from the dish surface to a point one quarter inch inside the feed horn opening. D= the diameter of the dish in inches and d= depth in inches, from the intersection point of all those strings to the surface of the satellite. Therefore the equation you would use is F=(D*D)/(16*d)

For example if a satellite is 10 feet or 120 inches this would be D. Then the depth from the intersection point of the strings to the back of the satellite is 25 inches this would be d. Therefore F= (120*120)/(16*25) which equals 36 inches.

Adjustments of the focal distance could be made faster with any dish aiming meter, available at RV supply shops for the small dish crowd. Also you can purchase one at skyvision.

To adjust the feedhorn it can be done two different ways:

By twisting the entire feedhorn so that it moves in or out or with washers. But first you'll need to find out wether your feedhorn is adjustable or fixed. As an adjustable feedhorns have two or three setscrews holding the inner cylinder of the feedhorn to the scalar ring. Before going any further you'll need to calculate the ratio between the focal distance and the diameter explored previously. To calculate this you take F which you have from before and divide by D or F/D. Your answer should typically be between 0.30 to 0.37. As adjustable feedhorns have numbers on the inner cylinder. All you do is set it to the F/D ratio that you calculated.

Adjusting the focal distance by twisting the feed will change the polarization settings for all of your satellites. If you use an aiming meter remove the polarization motor and hold the polarization steady with a large straight screwdriver while twisting the feed in and/or out.

Also you should check and repair any smaller dints in the dishes mesh. You can purchase individual sections of mesh for your satellite if needed. If you satellite is a solid one then there is not much you can do, if your satellite is damaged, besides hammering out minor dints. Some solid satellite dishes are made out of fiberglass and when they become worn over time the fibers start to show and this will cause signal loss, which is especially noticeable on all digital signals. If your satellite is like this you'll need to purchase a new one unfortunately.

Hope after you've done all of this your satellite is all better and working.

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NB. ->This is sort of a complicated and long process to make sure your satellite is in an optimum condition so it might be best to call your satellite installer to perform the above adjustments.

Note: You can make a template from bristal board or card board and place your F/D ratio on one corner of bristal board making sure you have a 90 degree angle to work with measure square from the scalar rings to end of the feed horn minus cover. The following numbers in inches equal your F/D ratio.

F/D .42 = .00 inches
F/D .40 = .20 inches
F/D .38 = .40 inches
F/D .36 = .60 inches
F/D .34 = .80 inches
F/D .32 = 1.0 inches
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Brother you can find the focal length easily with mirrors using Sun light


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Example : The offset satellite dish

Height .......................... = 74.80 Inch

Width ........................... = 70.86 inch

Max Depth ................. = 9.5 inch

Hence using my formula we find :

Focal length = ( 74.80 x 74.80 x 74.80 ) / ( 16 x 9.5 x 74.80 ) = 31.29 inch
sum of above 355797.952056 11369.6

Focal length as given by LNB distance = 31.29 inch
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faheemapp wrote:Example : The offset satellite dish

Height .......................... = 74.80 Inch

Width ........................... = 70.86 inch

Max Depth ................. = 9.5 inch

Hence using my formula we find :

Focal length = ( 74.80 x 74.80 x 74.80 ) / ( 16 x 9.5 x 74.80 ) = 31.29 inch
sum of above 355797.952056 11369.6

Focal length as given by LNB distance = 31.29 inch
Now where did you put the value of width=70.86 in the formula. ;)
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@chaser
the focal point is measured from scalar ring or the lower end of feed horn?
though the moveable feed has tolerance to adjust up or down but the scalar ring is fixed and it will effect on performance if it is fitted out of calculation?
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Dear Masood when fixing the feed horn please note the focal point of the dish must fall slightly inside the feed horn. It can be calculated with this formula.
a = (d * f) / D - (d * D) / (16 * f)
where:
a = distance the focus should be inside the feedhorn
D = diameter of the dish
d = diameter of the feedhorn
f = focal length of dish.
But focus is generally determined physically for best reception of signal and secondly where to put the scalar ring, well for this you have to find F/D ratio of your dish.
F/ D = Focal length / Diameter , for example if D= 72 and F= 23 then F/ D=.319 or .32
now there are F/D marking on the feed horn as shown in the picture to fix the scalar ring. At the moment the ring is placed at .42 in the picture.
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Oh sorry for that mistake.



The correct formula is_

Example : The offset satellite dish

Height .......................... = 74.80 Inch

Width ........................... = 70.86 inch

Max Depth ................. = 9.5 inch

Hence using my formula we find :

Focal length = ( 70.86 x 70.86 x 70.86 ) / ( 16 x 9.5 x 74.80 ) = 31.29 inch
sum of above 355797.952056 11369.6

Focal length as given by LNB distance = 31.29 inch
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Oh sorry for that mistake.



The correct formula is_

Example : The offset satellite dish

Height .......................... = 74.80 Inch

Width ........................... = 70.86 inch

Max Depth ................. = 9.5 inch

Hence using my formula we find :

Focal length = ( 70.86 x 70.86 x 70.86 ) / ( 16 x 9.5 x 74.80 ) = 31.29 inch
sum of above......... 355797.952056................... 11369.6

Focal length as given by LNB distance = 31.29 inch
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